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Thursday, October 26, 2006

Arza - Worth the Blogging?

Rick is puzzled and disappointed at the relative lack of coverage in Cuban-American blogs concerning Ralph Arza and his derogatory remark towards school superintendent Rudy Crew, who is black. The comments from several others to the above-linked post are also critical of lack of C-A bloggage.

For the record, I did make a brief post about Arza here.

Also for the record, in case anyone is wondering, this Cuban-American blogger thinks Arza is a useless jerk. He doesn't represent Cuban-Americans. He doesn't even represents the Hialeah street he played ball in. He just represents Ralph Arza.

That above paragraph should be obvious to all reasonably intelligent people. No explanation is required.

Apparently, state representative Dorothy Bendross-Mindingall isn't one of those people. No explanation is required here, either.

Why hasn't this story been covered more by C-A bloggers? I can't and won't speak for my fellow bloggers whom I respect greatly. I won't even venture a guess. Honestly, I wasn't exactly chomping at the bit to blog about a stupid local politician who happens to be Cuban-American refer to a high-profile black man as a n----r. Maybe there's such a deep and deserved disillusionment of all politicians these days, that comments such as the one Arza made illicit a mere shrug from most people. I don't know, that's just a hunch.

I will say (and ask) this: Why should any C-A, blogger, politician or otherwise, be expected to make a comment on Arza as some sort of an "official" Cuban-American reaction? Do C-A's have something to prove vis-a-vis race relations that I'm not aware of?

With all due respect, I think Rick and others are focusing too much on the lack of C-A Arza blogging. Comparing this to the Tom Fiedler "chihuahua" comment is flawed on several levels.

First of all, the dynamics and facts involved in each case are totally different. In reality, they are two totally different stories about two totally different things.

Secondly, if one is going to erroneously use the Fiedler case as a comparison, it would help if they were similarly indignant of Fiedler's comment. Instead, some Cuban-American bloggers were criticized for taking the chihuahua reference personally. I wasn't offended by Fiedler's remark, but I understood why some C-As felt offended. Similarly, I understand why blacks would be offended by Arza's comments.

Honestly, and this is just my personal opinion, I would have liked to have seen Rick deliver as strong a criticism of Bendross-Mindingall's irresponsible statement as he did towards the lack of C-A reaction to Arza.

Finally, and at the risk of falling into the flawed comparison trap myself, no one in the Cuban community demanded a wholesale "anglo" apology after the Fiedler incident. Therefore, why isn't Bendross-Mindingall being grilled for demanding one from the C-A community? To not give equal time and criticism to the representative implies a double standard, whether intentional or not.

32 Comments:

Anonymous Rick said...

"Nigger" versus "chihuahua." Think about those words for a minute. Think about the ugliness, the history and the pain the first one brings to mind. In fact, it's so ugly, you won't even spell it out in your post. The second one brings up vision of a dog or maybe if you're a fast food freak, Taco Bell.

1st Point: There is no comparison in the words.

babalu tried to make hay of Fiedler's "racial slur" but no one, besides a handful of C-A extremists, bought it. Even you said here that it didn't offend you. It was more of Fiedler's "flippant" attitude regarding the ruckus that the extremist C-A community was making that caused you concern.

2nd Point: Fiedler's remark was a non-event and SotP (Alex) clearly identified it as such.

No one is comparing Fiedler's remark to Arza's racial slur. What we are comparing are some C-A's response to racism when it is coming from a C-A. What most people are saying and wondering is why some in the C-A community hyperventilate, write blog posts and demand for people to resign when C-A's are the supposed object of racism but virtually ignore real racism against other minorities in their community when the racist is a C-A. It's blatantly hypocritical and most people have no problem identifying it as such.

3rd Point: We didn't compare the statements, we compared the responses.

Here is Bendross-Mindingall's quote:

"If we let this go, are we saying this is what Cuban Americans think about us? This is what we think about ourselves: that we are niggers? That's his definition of me, that I'm a nigger. If you say that about one black person, you say that about us all. How dare he.''

If you're going to read the first sentence, which I should note is in the form of a question, not a statement, you need to consider the last sentence, too. "..are we saying this is what Cuban Americans think about us?", she asks. She seems to group C-A's together but then ends with, "How dare he." Certainly meaning Arza. By himself.

4th Point: I don't believe Bendross-Mindingall definitively threw all C-A's into one pot. An argument can be made both ways as to what she was saying.

Finally, I want to make a point that I think Tere has made. If Rudy Crew would have called Cuban-Americans "beaners" or "spics" or whatever other derogatory name you can think of, not once, but twice, I can bet you that the writers at babalu and most every other C-A in Miami-Dade would have gone through the roof and demanded that Crew be frog-marched out of his office and through the streets of Little Havana. And rightly so.

But when a C-A state politician who represents thousands of C-A's in South Florida uses the most ugliest, filthiest and derogatory names for an African-American, they are mute. It's wrong. It's hypocritical. And it's the most sinister type of racism.

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11:24 PM, October 26, 2006  
Blogger Jonathan said...

I don't think there's much anyone can do about an elected official who is a jerk except (if you're his political party) promote an alternative candidate or (if you're his constituents) vote him out of office. Maybe if he is convicted or pleads to a serious crime he can be removed from office, but otherwise it's important to respect the wishes of the voters. If the voters want to elect jerks like Arza or Cynthia McKinney, who serve them badly, let them. And let those voters bear the full consequences of their choices. (Good luck working with the School Board and other City and County offices in the future.) Then, next time, maybe the voters will demand better candidates and better behavior from the people they elect.

The notion that CAs have some special obligation to condemn Arza is BS, as are all arguments for collective guilt. The responsible parties are Arza and the people who elected him. If his constituents are wise they will condemn him, because it's in their interest to, but the obligation doesn't go farther. To return to the McKinney comparison, black people as a group certainly had no obligation to condemn McKinney. The only people who shared responsibility with her for her bad behavior were those voters who continued to elect her after her bad qualities became well known. Eventually she became such a liability that her party supported, and her constituents elected, someone else in her place. Let Arza's constituents do the same with him (unless, of course, they don't want to, but I doubt that they are that stupid).

12:25 AM, October 27, 2006  
Blogger Henry "Conductor" Gomez said...

First off I don't usually cover local stories on my Cuba blog. The chihuahua comment is part of a continuing trend of conflict between the Herald and the Cuban American community. I blogged about the Chihuaha comment on Herald Watch because the story involved the Herald.

Besides Rudy Crew is hardly a sympathetic character. It's widely known that the number of Hispanics working at the school district offices has been greatly reduced during his tenure. He has no love for Latinos. In short Rudy Crew is an overpaid tool.

Rick from SotP is not my editor and therefore I don't give shit what he says about what I may write or not write. I post what I want when I want just like he does. If he want to make hay about Arza that's his prerogative but it doesn't make him holier than thou.

12:39 AM, October 27, 2006  
Blogger Henry "Conductor" Gomez said...

Oh and by the way the blacks in this community don't exactly love the Cubans either. I remember blacks on the corner of US and kendall protesting against the Cubans during Elian standing there next to a bunch of rednecks with rebel flags. It's not my responsibility to correct every jackass that uses a racial epithet. That's the job of the insulted community not the community of the insulter. And that's why I'll address people that make comments about Cubans.

12:42 AM, October 27, 2006  
Blogger Jonathan said...

Not to mention that newspapers' share of the information and advertising market is declining. What better way to boost readership and revenues than to encourage, or at least draw attention to, conflict between big subgroups of the local society?

1:21 AM, October 27, 2006  
Blogger Robert said...

Rick,

The Fiedler case involved a dynamic that is totally different than Arza's. Remember, Fiedler's comments stemmed from the big mess involving the Marti Moonlighters, which is tied direcly to Cuba-related issues. This is why you saw a lot of coverage from C-A blogs on that particular issue, and also explains the strong reactions to Fiedler's comments afterwards.

As Henry and Jonathan noted, there's no reason why C-As should be expected to go out of their way to condemn a fellow C-A for making a racially insensitive remark to/about another individual. It's a personal issue and should be therefore be treated that way, not as an example of general C-A attitude or indifference. Again, the 2 cases are totally different and even if you didn't think the chihuahua statement was offensive (I don't), the reaction was understandable considering the overall situation.

I'm not convinced that Bendross-Mindingall was merely being pensive when making the comment/question about whether that is how Cuban-Americans think about blacks. There's a not-too hidden resentment behind those words, IMO.

One last thing, do you know how the Arza/Crew mess is being handled in the black community? I haven't seen much at all in the media.

8:25 AM, October 27, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't care what people choose to write in their blog. Don't want to cover this cause you don't care fine. But by using the justification that you you have ancedotal evidence that Crew has reduced the role of latinos and bringing up the fact that black people protested along side other racists is a very weak argument. It exemplifies why this community is fractured and dysfunctional. Everyone is racist and its tearing this place apart. I would think that its your duty as an american to decry racism, and injustice no matter which group it affects and which you belong to.

8:44 AM, October 27, 2006  
Anonymous USS AMERICAN said...

Henry,

You remember when blacks joined with rednecks during the Elian fiasco, so they must be racist against Cuban-Americans. Keeping in mind that most of the world thought Elian should be with his father.


Well i can remember when the skinheads and miami cubans were standing shoulder to shoulder when Mandela came to visit.

Oh i know, Mandela is a commie b/c he accepted help from Fidel. Fidel also helped America, we just dont talk about that now do we.

Robert, it doesnt matter if the C-A's want to talk about Arza's racist remark. Americans normally have discussions (without) the Cubans at the dinner table.

This will become increasingly clear as the Democratic Party emerges as the majority in this nation.

9:54 AM, October 27, 2006  
Blogger La Ventanita said...

No longer living in Miami, I consider myself an independent observer - specially since while in Miami I never listened to Radio Mambi instead I listened to Radio Paz.

Arza is an idiot, should be regarded as such and action taken as such. When did the actions of one person became the actions of an entire community? Just b/c people voted him in? Newsflash, politicians misrepresent themselves all the time to get votes; so unless Arza had in his previous campaign stated that he thought all blacks are N..r then the blame remains only on him.

Personally I believe some people do not deserve the media attention they get, b/c frankly that is what they want. I think Chavez and Fidel should be turned out of the airwaves, as should any Osama or other terrorist video.

10:11 AM, October 27, 2006  
Blogger Val Prieto said...

Hopefully, one of these days, Rick will finally be able to get that Babalu bug out of his ass once and for all.

What a tool.

11:27 AM, October 27, 2006  
Anonymous Rick said...

Yes, Val, it's all about you. It must be so exhausting for you to be the center of everyone's universe.

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12:37 PM, October 27, 2006  
Blogger Jonathan said...

uss american,

Henry's anecdotes are worthless but we should pay attention to your anecdotes instead? Sure.

And yes, Mandela was a commie. His ANC was closely allied, if not interlinked, with the SA Communist Party, which at the time was led by Oliver Tambo, Mandela's former law partner. The ANC's alliance with Castro was merely one of many reasons for Americans to oppose Mandela. The fact that Miami CAs snubbed him is greatly to their credit.

BTW, what's with all the anti-CA bigots who comment anonymously about how CAs are supposedly bigoted?

1:27 PM, October 27, 2006  
Blogger The Universal Spectator said...

Rick, fuck the fuck off. (Sorry, wrong blog.)

2:34 PM, October 27, 2006  
Blogger The Universal Spectator said...

USS Maricon, ditto.

2:40 PM, October 27, 2006  
Anonymous Alex said...

- Robert, unfortunately Arza does represent Hialeah and he will until recalled, expelled (which is a solution the Legislature can take Jonathan btw) or resigns. As Nickfit pointed out soemwhere else, he's running unopposed. I don't think many people shrugged it off either Robert. This has been a big deal and continues to be.

- No one was asking for an "official CA blogging reaction" - just wondering why when CAs feel insulted they get up in arms but were mum about Arza. I would buy the "we only cover Cuba, not local" angle, except they make many exceptions. Or maybe is like Henry says, the community of the offendee is the one who has to protest. It does seem to work that way often. Still, I think comparing both reactions is very valid.

- Henry, whatever Crew is, he is not a nigger. If Arza or anybody had a legitimate concern about Crew's animosity towards Hispanics, they should have said so -Arza in particular, was in a position where he could have made an isue of it. But he didn't.

- There's a lot of racism and animosity against black people among Cubans. This is nothing new and you all know it. There's a lot of racism and animosity agains Hispanics in general and Cubans in particular in the black community (they came and took our jobs, they don't speak English, etc). This is no secret either. Arza is a racist as well as many others are for sure, he just got caught. Bendross-Mindingall, I have to say I didn't like her comment one bit. It's very possible she doesn't hold Cubans in high regard either and it's very possible she does. I admit I don't know shit about her. But she didn't call anybody a spic on the record, so I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt for now.

This is just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to Cubans and African American race relations. We are all civil in public but behind the scenes... whoa.

- Mandela spent 27 years in prison for fighting against a racist regime. Whether or not he was a communist at some point (and he has said he is not one now repeatedly) doesn't take one iota from his character and integrity, which no one of the Cuban Americans in the city commission can touch. That was one of the most wrongheaded acts this city has seen.

Finally french poodle, always such an enlightening contribution.

2:55 PM, October 27, 2006  
Blogger La Ventanita said...

Wasn't Mandela arrested b/c he was caught with amunition and explosives?

Alex, I'm sorry, but someone who hails Fidel as a great defender of Human Rights has neither character nor integrity in my eyes.

Now Eusebio Penalver, who spent more time in jail than Mandela, he had character and integrity.

4:01 PM, October 27, 2006  
Blogger Robert said...

Alex,

Sure there are Cubans that don't like blacks. Just like there are Irish-Americans, Italian-Americans, Polish-Americans, fill in the blank-Americans that don't like blacks. It's sad, but it's a reality for a small part of each community. So then why do Cuban-Americans bloggers in this particular case HAVE to make some sort of denouncement in order to clear all decent Cuban-Americans? That's really the bottom line here, and the fact that it was insinuated by a black politician is a sad statement and reflection on her, not Cuban-Americans. Sorry, my gut instinct tells me I shouldn't give her the benefit of the doubt.

As far as Mandela is concerned, he may have fought long and hard for racial equality, but when he willingly and enthusiastically aligns himself with someone like fidel, his character and integrity leave a lot to be desired.

4:02 PM, October 27, 2006  
Anonymous Sojourner Truth said...

I hope that everyone has been able to listen to the tape of Arza's voicemail message.

While there's no doubt that Arza was unprofessional and certainly made a complete fool of himself, what he said is a far cry from what has been reported in The Herald since Monday.

If everyone who said "my n---r" were considered a bigot for speaking that way, Miami would have more bigots per capita than the entire South during the height of slavery. I'd venture to say that a majority of the people who are so indignant about Arza's comments today, have said the same thing at least once in their life, and I guarantee that it wasn't while they were under the influence of alcohol.

Arza deserves to be censured by his colleagues and it is right for him to be excluded from any leadership positions in the House of Representatives; his conduct shows that he needs to change his ways before he can be held out as a leader. However, there is nothing in those recordings that betrays a hint of racism.

Arza didn't say: "you're a n-!", or "you're just like those n-!" or "n-lover". He simply said "my n-", sprinkled with a liberal dose "bitch". If anyone should be offended it's the National Organization for Women.

This is nothing more than a b.s. shitstorm created by The Herald and others who make their money through controversy.

Tom Fiedler clearly referred to Cubans as a buch of dogs; first as chihuahuas and then, in his "apology" as terriers. That was a bigoted remark and no one made a big deal about it. Fiedler is still at the Herald, sitting in judgment over everyone else.

Now, Arza says "my n-" and he is being presured to resign.

That's b.s.!

P.S.: If blacks don't like the use of the "n word", they shouldn't be pushing it on society in every rap song that they put out.

4:20 PM, October 27, 2006  
Blogger Alex said...

Yes LV. Sabotage was the actual charge. So what? Armed struggle against oppression is something to be proud of. As for Castro: a) he was very vocal internationally about releasing Mandela, something the US was not doing (some even claim the CIA gave Mandela up). b) Mandela has distanced himself from Castro and Kadhafi and others after his divorce. But in any case, his political beliefs don't take away one hour of the 27 years he spent in jail for fighting for his people. Just like Pe˜ãlver. Or Menoyo.

4:24 PM, October 27, 2006  
Blogger Jonathan said...

Mandela is a mixed bag. He has admirable qualities including courage and personal integrity, but he was also a major figure in the ANC at a time when the ANC was murdering its tribal and political opponents. And as ANC leader he expressed solidarity with a variety of leftist gangsters -- not just Castro but also leftist warlords in neighboring African countries, the PLO and his own then-wife. He rarely gets blamed for the gangsterism, and the white regime that released him from prison rarely gets credit for its reforms. The Cuban-Americans who protested his visit to Miami acted admirably, in a context where many prominent Americans wished to ignore Mandela's ugly side because the myth of Mandela as an African Martin Luther King, Jr. was politically useful.

5:07 PM, October 27, 2006  
Anonymous GENERAL DON'T GIVE A f*** said...

LOOK EVERYONE IS RACIST BUT WHEN IT COMES TO CUBANS AND CUBAN AMERICANS, THEY TAKE THE CAKE. LOOK, THEY WILL GET MAD WHEN INSTEAD OF SOME ONE WHO HAS THE QUALIFICATIONS FOR A CERTAIN JOB AND IT DOESN'T GO TO A CUBAN OR SOMEONE HISPANIC THEY CRY AND MAKE NOISE AND PROTEST. THE POINT IS RALPH ARZA WAS JUST SPEAKING WHAT WAS ON HIS MIND ANDWHEN HE CALLED RUDY CREW A NIGGER HE JUST SHOWED THE WORLD THAT HE WAS A RACIST. WE ALL ARE RACIST ESPECIALLY WHEN WE ARE AROUND ARE OWN KIND. AND P.S. IF CUBANS HATE NIGGERS SO MUCH, WHY DO YOU PEOPLE MOVE INTO BALCK NIEGHBORHOODS LIKE MIAMI GARDENS,RICHMOND HIEGHTS,ETC. MIAMI IS A BETTER CITY WHEN DIVIDED. DONT BELIEVE ME JUST RESPOND TO MY POST

6:02 PM, October 27, 2006  
Anonymous Sojourner Truth said...

Please provide proof showing that Ralph Arza called Rudy Crew a "n-".

Ralph Arza only said "my n-" when signining off on a tirade directed at a filthy rat. Furthermore, these were private conversations.

I love how blacks are so aligned with the ACLU and all those liberal interests but when freedom of speech offends them, then they get mad.

As far as who lives in what neighborhood, take that trash somewhere else, it has no place in this discussion.

If you want to have a serious discussion, bring it. If you're going to spend your keystrokes spouting biggoted trash, take it somewhere else.

6:20 PM, October 27, 2006  
Blogger NicFitKid said...

Well Gus Barreiro certainly believes Arza called Rudy Crew a n----r, that's why he filed the ethics complaint that touched off this whole mess.

Ah, but Sojourner thinks Rep. Barreiro is a "filthy rat," so I doubt that will modify his opinions. Sojourner, why not simply call up Barreiro and let him know how you feel by leaving a descriptive message on his voicemail? It's not like he hasn't heard worse...

I'm with Alex on this one, everyone's dancing around the obvious. Of course there's racism within the Cuban American community directed at African-Americans, and of course there's resentment of Cubans within the African-American community. As someone who was born and raised in Miami-Dade, I'd have to be an oblivious fool to pretend this situation didn't exist. As for Bendross-Mindingall, she's an African-American politician playing to her base in an African-American district in a town with balkanized race relations. What did you expect, hugs and kisses? It's not rocket science, folks.

Everyone can dodge, duck, and weave all they like, but Arza isn't just some random schmo with wacky ideas (I'm enjoying how everyone has forgotten just how powerful Arza was about to become with the ascension of Marco Rubio), and we don't live in some idealized, atomized social universe of extreme individualism. Ethnic communities do exist in Miami-Dade county, and they do collide in ugly ways at times. While it's tempting to circle the wagons and protect one's own, the way forward is to condemn all forms of racism and bigotry without falling into this ridiculous ping pong of:

Fool1:"I'm not racist, you're the racist!"
Fool2:"Oh no, you're way more racist than me!"

10:30 PM, October 27, 2006  
Anonymous Sojourner Truth said...

Assuming that Arza used the "n-" word, does one word define a person? What about the 20+ years that Arza spent at Miami High teaching and coaching blacks and Hispanics? Did he give preferential treatment to the Hispanic kids? Did he refer to the black kids using the "n-" word?

I challenge anyone here to say that, at one point in their life, they have not uttered the "n-" word.

Furthermore, this controversy is not over Arza calling someone a "n-", but rather that he signed off on a profanity filled message by saying "my n-". Again, if saying "my n-" classifies someone as a bigot, then we're all bigots.

11:02 AM, October 28, 2006  
Blogger Robert said...

Nick,

Sure there's racism, I think we all agree that there's that element in every ethnic group. Why should Cubans be different, or even singled out in a general sense here? That's what I don't understand.

You're right, Arza isn't some random schmoe. He could very well speak for the minority of Cuban a-holes out there who love to throw around the n-word simply because they don't like a black person. No one is dancing around that. What I'm questioning - and you haven't addressed - is why should the Cuban community at large step up and prove that they are not a racist community? We don't demand that of any other group, so why are Cubans treated specially here?

As I said in the post, Arza is jerk. He speaks for himself, and no one who doesn't personally know the guy should have to explain that to anyone.

Also, you're being way too kind to Bendross-Mindingall. You seem to be giving her a sort of free pass by excusing her comment as just "an African-American politician playing to her base in an African-African district in a town with balkanized race relations". Reality, yes. But how about demanding she elevate herself above the mess like a true leader - HELL, a decent person - should. Instead, she's doing exactly what you say we shouldn't be doing as a community. Better yet, why don't we demand that the black community explain why they're not racist? Of course, you know the answer to that (no).

Up to now only a few people have criticized her divisive comments.

That's disappointing.

1:16 PM, October 28, 2006  
Anonymous USS AMERICAN said...

LOL,


I think this is why Miami Cubans get a hard way to go when they step foot outside of Miami.

Yes, there is a lot bigotry in any nation. But if an educated, hard-working African-American is considered only a n-word. Then the C-A's can keep that stuff here in Dade.

Most of my friends in Broward know how to distinguish between the street thug, and the hard working type.

Someone ask why do Cubans move into black neighborhoods if they are so racist. The question i have is why does the (younger) generation walk, talk, and mimic the hip-hop culture. The rapper Pit-Bull seems to be the most recognized Cuban in the nation.

Finally, Johnathon and Robert, regardless of whether you wanted to blog about this issue or not. Good for you. It can only increase your profile and credibility. It was a good back and forth between the two camps.


Sincerey,

6:48 PM, October 28, 2006  
Anonymous Tony Montana said...

Pitbull is the most recognized Cuban? You wanna say hello to my little friend?

1:01 PM, October 29, 2006  
Anonymous Bryan said...

THe comments are more interesting than the blog commentary. BTW, the "Fuck the fuck off" comment is perhaps the most inspiring thing I've read in years. Cheers to whoever posted that gem.

5:58 PM, October 29, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe I'd have to be in Florida, inhaling the cocaine laden air to not find so many posts here, as absolutely sick.

Cuban vs. Black

Obviously there aren't too many black cubans posting, because the tone seems heavy on the white cubans inbred mentality of racism that conveniently excises anything black/african from their culture, until they want to shout about Cuban music. Azucar Negra indeed.

Mandela

Oh how horrible Mandela was to give any praise to Castro who offered support against the system of racism and Apartheid that had been destroying his people for centuries. Of course WHITE cubans can't find respect for anyone that fights against a racist system - White cuban are only against economic systems that deprive them of slave plantations, automatic racial privilege, mafia gambling, and in general the luxury life while watching poverty in the fields enjoyment that they feel is inherent in for the descendants of slave owners and pirates. Sorry, I meant to say inherent for the descendants of Spain's best exports.

Social Clash

Obviously it is important for many Cubans to believe that all African-Americans are poor, uneducated, criminals, lazy and uncultured, because that makes them feel they have a group of people to consider lower than them. Reminds the Cubans of the home they fled when because they lost their plantations and unquestioned right to racism and class bigotry. It is even easier to not understand the history of slavery, racism, class issues in the the US, when they deliberately ignored them in their own Cuban country.

That a lot of African-Americans are good people, cultured, educated,kind, generous, hard-working, etc. is something unacceptable to Cubans who grew up with the image of the "lazy" black slave who just happened to do most of the work in the country.

Also lost on such people is the fact that African-Americans didn't flee the US, but stayed and fought for rights, justice, etc. that made American even begin to live up to what American ethics claimed to be from the beginning. It is easy to be smug and flee to another country with struggles fought by OTHER people for a better national ethic, instead of staying in your own country and making a change.

Of course this Cubans cannot understand racism very well, because in general Latin Americans is centuries backwards on such issues. Blacks in those countries trying very hard to be seen as "latino" not black, because they know that black is unnacceptable unless you sing like Celia Cruz or can serve as a low-paid slave.

For those white cubans (and non-skin color denying blacks and "mulatos", and those who have a whole lot of relatives who are obvious blacks/mulatos even if they themselves came out white)who are not racist, I don't know how you can exist in a community for whom racism is more natural than breathing.

1:37 PM, November 02, 2006  
Anonymous General i don't give a f*** said...

anonymous who posted on 11/2/06 couldn't said it better. you broke it down. i said earlier that everyone is racist, especially when your around your own kind of people whether by race or cultural group. cuban people and hispanics in general are very taboo about race because they are trying hard to be accepeted by mother spain. a lot of spanish speaking countries such as cuba,puerto rico,dominican republic,panama,etc. in thier learnig institution teaches the children, even the obvious black or mulatto children that africans are stupid, savages,and lazy slaves.but in reality besides the spanish colonization,the culture is overtly african.you gonna tell me that sammy sosa is not a black man. he is but in the u.s. he is a hispanic.in their respective countries blacks are blacks, but when hispanic blacks reach the u.s. they will tell you that they are not black.but to my point ralph arza appears white, but you can tell he had a black ancestor some where down the line in his family tree.but he came out more spanish and his spanish side is racist so it was only right that he refer rudy crew as a nigger even though he said to gus barriero what up my nigger(slang for blacks when they greet each other"what up my nigga")but you can tell that they did not air the comment he said about rudy crew.people can get along when their together but when they get around their own people they become bigots.but that goes back to tribalism and pride. one always going to think that one is better than the other.it should't be that way but it is what it is.

1:15 AM, November 03, 2006  
Anonymous General i don't give a f*** said...

oh yeah and for those who who call Nelson Mandela a communist because he praised fidel castro and others for him fighting a racial cause your are sick people i bet you if a black general in cuba took over, and then install a counter apartheid system that oppress the white spanish minority in cuba(you peoples country is 60% black or mulatto)then maybe you all might be screaming a diffrent story but since castro just took all the gangsters and prostitutes money and took the slave plantation which was illegal labor force anyway you cry bloody murder. i bet you during the u.s. civil war cuba was the other confederate state.

1:28 AM, November 03, 2006  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Cubes are way to self centered. Nobody outside of Miami cares one bit about their rants. They want the US to fight their battle. Assimilate, speak English and learn some manners. Then, let's talk.

11:59 PM, November 04, 2006  

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